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Way to go Catherine, Ingrid and Catherine.


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'Dans une tribune au « Monde », un collectif de 100 femmes, dont Catherine Millet, Ingrid Caven et Catherine Deneuve, affirme son rejet d’un certain féminisme qui exprime une « haine des hommes »'.


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'Catherine Deneuve joined more than 100 other Frenchwomen in entertainment, publishing and academic fields Tuesday in the pages of the newspaper Le Monde and on its website in arguing that the two movements, in which women and men have used social media as a forum to describe sexual misconduct, have gone too far by publicly prosecuting private experiences and have created a totalitarian climate.'




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Re: Way to go Catherine, Ingrid and Catherine.

From my observations of life in France, those comments by Ms Deneuve and friends is very much in line with French culture, but rightly or wrongly may not apply to thinking in other countries. Although it will be welcomed in Saudi.
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Re: Way to go Catherine, Ingrid and Catherine.

France has for a long time been less subject to the prurient and often hypocritical Puritanism over sexual issues which infects Anglo-Saxon culture.

 

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell
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Re: Way to go Catherine, Ingrid and Catherine.

Really Cajal, 'Way to Go'?


I am not sure who said ' that the ladies do complain too much' this being on a thread on here, about sexual harrassment.


So misognoy rules eh!!!!!


The 'game' has obviously changed somewhat, and why not, and yet, girls and boys, men and women still get together, enjoy one another's company, snog, pet and make love.


I have been thinking about C Deneuve, and why she has said this. She obviously enjoyed men's attentions, no matter what, but how far these went is quite  another thing.

And for me, it is all linked in, as, when it goes too far, and that is up to each woman to know how they feel about things that happen, things that they are very uncomfortable with...............


...........So, I ask the question, in her life, did she do one of the following three things:-  managed to avoid really unwanted attentions which is quite possible, was in her own way complicit as it could further her career, OR they happened and she prefers to just compartmentalise them and basically ignore them.

Trouble is that she is basically saying that, all women should ignore these things. And sadly many, if not most of us, did just that, because the world was run by men and no one in authority would have cared.



So I do not care what these french women say........ they can buzz off, to be polite and are encouraging behaviour that should not exist and never should have.


And yes, I reckon bises are fine, they come in many varieties all OK with me.


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Re: Way to go Catherine, Ingrid and Catherine.

Allow fanatics an audience and the masses in between are the ultimate sufferers. Of course all human behavior should  be acceptable and respectful towards others but allow the few to dictate the terms of that behaviour to the many, then society overall will sufer.
So yes-'Way to go Catherine, Ingrid and Catherine' and to the other 97 women who signed the letter.

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Re: Way to go Catherine, Ingrid and Catherine.

The 2nd I reckon Idun, if Hollywood had the same proportion of less than perfectly bodied women as the normal population then I would not be questioning just how many attractive vivacious actresses pro-actively used the situation to their advantage.

 

I'm far more minded to believe those who denounced him that have not had a glittering career than those who did which included being photographed draped all over the alleged abuser wearing very little clothing and not looking in the slightest bit uneasy.


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Re: Way to go Catherine, Ingrid and Catherine.

I agree that the second could be an option often taken, but for many women in ordinary jobs, that option may not be to advance their career, but just to keep their job. All very sad.

Women continue in general to be second class citizens with regards to promotions and pay, the only equality has been with british state pensions, which actually has made many women worse off too, but there you go. Misogny reigns!



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Re: Way to go Catherine, Ingrid and Catherine.

Berlusconi says "Way to go ....." as well:

https://www.ouest-france.fr/faits-divers/harcelement/harcelement-berlusconi-salue-la-tribune-signee-par-catherine-deneuve-5494340

In fact he claims that women clamour to seduce HIM. 🙄
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