Swimming Pools in France

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Re: Gite swimming pool regulations

Well, thanks for a very full and frank discussion!

Yes, believe it or not, I am not setting up a leisure park with wave machines, slides and thousands of visitors. I am talking about a straight forward 10x5 in my back garden for use by my family, our friends and a few guests we have staying at our two gites.

If I am reading correctly, you are saying is that there is only one set of regs and they are aimed primarily at large public pools but are ambiguous enough to suggest that they might apply to gites. Is that so? Is there no regs at all aimed specifically at small time gite owners?

Panda - thanks very much for your illuminating contributions. I would very much like to talk to your friends who have gites and get first hand info from them on this subject. Could you post an email address or phone number? If not could you forward my email address on to them and ask them to contact me.



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Re: Gite swimming pool regulations

At the end of the day you make your own mind up or just go to the DDASS and ask we can only advise you.

All that I can say is at least make sure you have the best filtration system that you can get and plan the pool to be able to upgrade if you have to comply one day.

If you need any more info or a quote please email or pm

chrish


Piscine-plus.com


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Re: Gite swimming pool regulations

 mickcooke wrote:

Yes, believe it or not, I am not setting up a leisure park with wave machines, slides and thousands of visitors. I am talking about a straight forward 10x5 in my back garden for use by my family, our friends and a few guests we have staying at our two gites.

If I am reading correctly, you are saying is that there is only one set of regs and they are aimed primarily at large public pools but are ambiguous enough to suggest that they might apply to gites. Is that so? Is there no regs at all aimed specifically at small time gite owners?

Panda - thanks very much for your illuminating contributions. I would very much like to talk to your friends who have gites and get first hand info from them on this subject. Could you post an email address or phone number? If not could you forward my email address on to them and ask them to contact me.

Mick

I am not at all sure that the real situation concerning compliance has been made clear, and perhaps for the 'last word' on the matter you should actually contact your local DDASS inspector. In the mean time, so far as I read the regs what's important is the definition of a 'public pool' for its only these that the DDASS are concerned about. Cutting through the volume of verbage, it comes down to any pool or aquatic facility where the public is charged for its use, or more than one family at a time. The later part of that is confusing and unclear so for the time being I suugest that you ignore it untill its clarified by them. Now loking at the former where a proprieter is charging for the use of the pool then this would seem to included ALL, and ANY Gite installations large, small or otherwise. (the fact that Panda and his mates want to laugh at the regs is beside the point, we all know that its the 'culture' here)

Now the reality is what determines what you decide to do, which is that there are over 35,000 Gites in France, not counting Hotels, campings, Chamdre D'hote, Municiplals most of whom have pools. The DDASS simply do not have the staff to get around and test them all each month. So you can see the reason why some owners have never seen an inspector and probably never will, but that in no way excuses them from complaince with the regs. For those that do not comply will get into a significantly difficult position should a matter of public health be investigated after the fact. Shoud they be found at fault then, so far as my experience with that position goes, they are immediately closed for use by the public, then the investigation runs its course and the consquence are dealt out. Meantime the pool proprieter will loose the use of a very valuable asset and suffer the embarrassment of explaining to guests why they cannot use the pool that was advertised.

If you want to take advise from other gite owners then go ahead by all means but please recognise that they are not the people making the rules, and most of them certinaly do not abide by them.I beleive its the DDASS that you should be taking to and sooner rather than later bearing in mind the plans you have for an Aqualtic park - which certainly sound significant enough to come under their gaze and therefore certain to be inspected regularly.

Andrew


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Re: Gite swimming pool regulations

 Poolguy wrote:
 mickcooke wrote:

Yes, believe it or not, I am not setting up a leisure park with wave machines, slides and thousands of visitors. I am talking about a straight forward 10x5 in my back garden for use by my family, our friends and a few guests we have staying at our two gites.

If you want to take advise from other gite owners then go ahead by all means but please recognise that they are not the people making the rules, and most of them certinaly do not abide by them.I beleive its the DDASS that you should be taking to and sooner rather than later bearing in mind the plans you have for an Aqualtic park - which certainly sound significant enough to come under their gaze and therefore certain to be inspected regularly.

Andrew

I think you may have missed the'not' in Mick's reply there Andrew!

As I said before the friends I have are french and think that the Brit preoccupation with rules is amusing, how's your french Mick, is it up to a conversation on the subject?  If so I will find a couple of numbers.


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Re: Gite swimming pool regulations

So Mick, your pool used as you describe it will be a public pool and the advice given by chrish and Andrew is correct - whether you like it ot not, and whether or not you (or anyone else with a pool used by more than one property) complies with the law

The fact that few people are aware of a law does not make it go away

Go to http://baignades.sante.gouv.fr/editorial/en/controle/reglementation.html and you'll find useful references in English. I would particularly draw your attention to Article L. 1332-1 of the Code de la Santé Publique, and to Article D1332-1

You will find that a public pool is defined as one which is used by more than one family. Public pool normes and rules apply to it.

You can download a useful leaflet at http://aquitaine.sante.gouv.fr/download/piscam24.pdf, the rules are the same throughout France

There was an article in FPN some time ago, written by a Chartered Surveyor, you could ask the editor for a copy



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Re: Gite swimming pool regulations

What do you do for a living Polly?Big Smile [:D]

The ruling is nowhere near as clear as you are stating it here, even Chris agreed on that point!  I have been told different things by different people, some in the pool business some in the mayors office. 

Public pool is defined as paying to enter the pool, again even poolguy has quoted this in the past.

There is clearly a grey area around pools in this regard and so everyone should make their own choice and not be bullied by those seeking to line their own pockets.

 


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Re: Gite swimming pool regulations

I don't think anyone is bullying anybody, those like Chris and I are merely making information available.

I do hope you are not implying that I am seeking to 'line my pocket' - please clarify

As to what I do for a living : I have chosen not to disclose that on this forum in detail. For your information neither I nor anyone else in my close family sell or build swimming pools, neither do we own gites or a B&B.





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Re: Gite swimming pool regulations

Hi

I have gites, and no affiliation to any pool companies.

We are visited by the DDASS every month in season as are friends of ours who have gites locally. We are in department 16. We are charged around 100 euros per visit for the pleasure and the lab anaysis. There is no choice in this.

What poolguy has said in his 1st post is pretty much on the money, however to clarify, the DDASS are only interested in the quality of your water, not fencing, disabled access etc etc - JUST WATER QUALITY.

If you have PAYING GUESTS (hotel, B&B, camp site, gite or whatever) then you are classified as a public pool, the system may seem harsh, but there is no "only just public pool" category - you are or you arnt, plain and simple!

I see it as a good thing, becuase it enforces us (gite owners etc) to take pool water quality seriously -as it should be with any amenities you provide to paying guests.

David

 


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