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Re: Attestation de recensement for BAC

I think you are quite right.
Your comment " The French do not seem very well equipped to deal with out of the box experiences." strikes a particular chord, but is rather serious for France, much as I am committed to the place.
It might not matter if it weren't for the fact that they are so bl**dy sure of themselves, and are convinced that if it is out of their "box" it is of no importance or use.

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell
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Re: Attestation de recensement for BAC

Oh boy, is that ever true!!

Working for a French company, I encountered my first experience of having to tell certain colleagues that they could not be enrolled on some specific career development training courses because they were either too young or too old. You see, the Parent Company had decided on a "parcours de carrière" which was so regimented and prescriptive - not to mention inflexible - that it was assumed that the employee in role A would, having conformed to the prescribed profile, have an age of exactly X +/- 1 year.....and if they didn't, they couldn't attend. I kid you not.

Another scenario that I heard of this week...a client has acquired a well-known French company. They are American. They have a policy of promotion from within, and an excellent HR and career development setup. They recently had 3 senior vacancies in France. Nobody in France applied, because they would have had to move to another area. The company filled the vacancies with a Frenchman currently working for them in Ireland, a Canadian, and an American who has lived and worked for most of his life in Francophone countries.

These people have, on average, 10-15 years experience within the company. The roles command significant salaries.

The company cannot pay these employees the salaries they should be receiving, because they are outside the bands of the collective agreement which is in place. In other words, if you are in job A, your salary falls between 2  numbers, and that's it. Doesn't appear to matter if you deserve more on merit, seniority or any other criterion, in that job you can only earn that much. In all 3 cases, this would mean the employees taking a salary cut. It is probably not appropriate for me to explain how this is being addressed, except to say that a legal solution is being implemented, but from the French perspective there's a box, and nothing outside it.

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Re: Attestation de recensement for BAC

The only demand for taking their BAC,BTS and Degrees in France for my two was ID by means of their Titre de Séjour and UK Passport. Récensement never entered into anything and the military day was held over a weekend for those nationals whom it referred to so they did not miss education.
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Re: Attestation de recensement for BAC

This is not the post to have a rant over the French education system, it would take a month of sundays to completely vent my spleen.

I hope that in the future the French attitude to education changes. Currently, the education system is still aimed at raising children to be part of the French state, to grow up and have a career as part of the french establishment.  I fear, however, that France being self contained and self sufficient will no longer be achievable. Being able to "think outside the box" is not something you can teach to a nation entrenched in this current attitude but is something that they (our kids...our future) will need to have. It won't happen in my lifetime, I hope my kids kids see a difference.

Education isn't always being stuck behind a desk. There is so much more to learn, but unless the parents take more responsibility it isn't going to happen. Having said that, where we live, since we have been here we have seen a significant shift towards kids learning English as an important language. This is all done privately though, as the state still ranks English as a 3rd language, behind Spanish ( and in some regards 4th..behind Occitan). The younger parents see learning English as a way forward for their children, and actively see that they should leave to study abroad. As an example, we have a friend who's eldest is off to Dublin for 6 months to help his studies in IT. (this is part of a 2 year "pre" graduate course, he then has 3 years "proper" graduate degree and hopes to continue gaining more educational experience beyond that. For him, he won't be out in "the real world" until his late 20's! for his doctors/dentists friends etc they won't be released into proper jobs until their ealy 30's)

This is not for all though, the majority around here don't see themselves moving more than 20km away from their parents, and retiring at 55 with a big fat pension. As far as they are concerned, the education and establishment is working fine. They strongly believe that the state will provide. (not "hope" but "will"'s their right after all)

I'm teaching my kids (teaching = trying to educate them) that you can  do anything once you set your mind to it. You don't have to be pigeon-holed, and there is is absolutely no phrase for "non". Most of this they are achieving without me being present. No2  son (16) is currently rebuilding our crash damaged car, No3 son (13) is rebuilding a melted PC. (No1 son is a bit innefective at the moment as he is in love...***!) , but they know that we don't have to get a man in to do all this stuff...think a bit outside the box and everything and anything is possible.


you can  call me betty....I completley agree. Pigeon holes.... I tried to get a job with FT, they wanted someone with 3yrs experience in a particular discipline. I've got 15yrs plus in that particular area, 30yrs IT all told. "But don't have the 3yrs experience, you've got 15, we can't possibly interview you..."



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