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Re: Bourse & CAF for university students

Surely the link to the site I gave above and the part of the text I quoted answers your question.

L'APL peut être attribuée à toute personne :

quelle que soit sa situation familiale

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell
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Re: Bourse & CAF for university students

Hello again,

The link and the extract quoted certainly answer the question with regards to CAF allowances for accommodation, but there is no mention of bourse provision. covering living and study expenses.

So it does appear that my children would be able to get hep with accommodation costs, but I'm still wondering whether they would be eligible for a bourse without having my being a taxed French resident. Logically it would seem reasonable for this to be the case, but I would like to get chapter and verse on this before jeopardising their studies in any way.

Best wishes,
Nick
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Re: Bourse & CAF for university students

Des dispositions particulières sont prévues :

  • pour les parents isolés,

  • en cas de séparation ou de divorce, de remariage ou d'union libre des parents,

  • lorsque les parents résident et/ou travaillent à l'étranger

from http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F12214.xhtml


It should be possible to do a simulation here:

http://www.cnous.fr/_vie_264.htm

to see


The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell
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Re: Bourse & CAF for university students

I think you are not going to get a definitive answer from anyone who has children in the system here as they are either still in France or have all gone back to the UK. In all the applications made for further education, the onus fell on our son to make the applications, fill in all the forms and provide the relevant information. When there was a difficulty with the inital accommodation, it was down to him to sort it out, not us. To this end, I suggest your children contact CROUS direct either by phone or go to the nearest office. The French are not very good at dealing with things that are out of their comfort zone (they looked in horror at a recent meeting here when an 18 year old wanted to take a gap year). IMO you will need a written agreement if you want to go back to the UK. In our sons case, we have to make the application for the bourse on a yearly basis, so they will need chapter and verse if you are not even going to be in France next year. The other consideration is their nationality. Do the current rules apply to only to children of any nationality living with their parents in France or French students? If you are not here, will they then be considered as foreign students? Not trying to be argumentative, but what ever anyone says here, it will cut no ice with the authorities!
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Re: Bourse & CAF for university students

It is a while ago now but our son had a year at a French uni under the Erasmus scheme and to our amazement got (what we now know is called) CAF.  It was cheaper for us with our son here in France than when he was in the UK! We were UK residents at that time.
No other money was forthcoming from France and we did not expect to get any,  I would doubt that Bourse is payable unless parents are in France but as said above your children should enquire themselves.

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Re: Bourse & CAF for university students

Lehaut you are certainly not being argumentative. Smile [:)]
I think that the APL is a reasonably sure thing, but the bourse is another which is why I gave a link to a simulation which includes questions about where the parents live.

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell
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Re: Bourse & CAF for university students

When our son filled in the first form with CROUS, he was asked his nationality. At that time he was English. For the second year, when filling in the same form, he could not change the nationality box, even though by then he had dual nationality. Perhaps once you are in the "system", your rights continue until that stage of education is finished. Cannot track down the specific form but have found in the documents that make up the application the following

- Les étudiants français ou étrangers, mais dont les parents résident en France depuis au moins 2 ans doivent saisir un D.S.E. s’ils veulent une aide financière
du CROUS.
► Établissement d’inscription :
Renseignez-vous précisément sur le nom de l’établissement d’inscription et de la formation envisagée auprès du secrétariat. Il doit être habilité, si ce n’est pas le
cas, vous ne pouvez pas saisir votre vœu.
► Vœux à l’étranger :
Des Bourses sur Critères Sociaux peuvent être attribuées pour faire des études dans certains établissements des pays du Conseil de l’Europe. Vous pouvez
formuler ce vœu sur Internet si l’établissement où vous pensez vous inscrire permet d’être boursier.
2 – Les étudiants étrangers dont les parents ne résident pas en France depuis 2 ans au moins ne demandent pas leur bourse au moyen du DSE :
La demande de bourse doit être faite, avant le départ de l’étudiant pour la France, auprès du service de coopération et d’action culturelle de l’Ambassade ou du
Consulat Général de France ou du Ministère de l’Education de son pays d’origine

So it may be, given that you have lived in France for more than two years, you can get the bourse to finish this stage of their education. Again, only a face to face with the office will sort it out.

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Re: Bourse & CAF for university students

Thank you everyone for your thought-provoking responses. I think it is true to say that only by putting our precise circumstances to the relevant authority will this matter be resolved, one way or the other. I am somewhat reluctant to put my head above the parapet however, for fear of drawing attention our situation at this stage.

It does look as if there are grounds for optimism, with my children having been in the system for so long. Not yet holding French nationality, they are currently applying for it and this could have a positive bearing on things.

I had hoped that someone might be around having already followed this route we are considering, but it is a rather an unusual one, I have to admit..

Nick
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