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Re: An alternative to Google translate

No good for translating L'invitation au voyage, then?Smile [:)]

And no use whatsoever for describing medical symtoms either.  Because of endorsement on here, I thought I'd give it a test run.  If I used the translation provided, they'd surely send me to a secure psychiatric unitWoot! [:-))]

On dit souvent que l'on craint ce que l'on ne connaît pas. Je crois plutôt que la peur naît quand on apprend un jour ce que la veille on ignorait encore.
Philippe CLAUDEL in Les Âmes grises

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Re: An alternative to Google translate

I never use the sites either, I can read and translate 95% of the document and certainly understand the subject, context and message, there may be a couple of words to look up. When I have used a translator it has given out rubbish that makes it much harder to understand the original, when people post Google translates on forums and ask "what does this mean" I have to ask for the original to be able to answer.

 

When composing something I dont need a translator and would not dare use one having seen the results, again there may be a couple of words or phrases that I may need to look up but when I compose something mentally I am doing so in French and using the vocabulary that I have.

 

I find Linguée.fr excellent and it will often give me a better word or phrase than I would use and lots of different contexts for a word or phrase.

 

Even at the very beginning I would not use web translations, they were frankly appalling back then.


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Re: An alternative to Google translate

I tried both the site recommended and Google translate with Mints tagline, both gave good results but Google was pretty much spot on

 

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On dit souvent que l'on craint ce que l'on ne connaît pas. Je crois plutôt que la peur naît quand on apprend un jour ce que la veille on ignorait encore.
Philippe CLAUDEL in Les Âmes grises

Deepl:

 

It is often said that we fear what we do not know. Rather, I believe that fear is born when one learns one day what one did not know before.
Philippe CLAUDEL in Les Âmes grises

 

Google:

 

It is often said that we fear what we do not know. I rather believe that fear arises when one learns one day what the day before was still unknown.
Philippe CLAUDEL in The Souls gray


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Re: An alternative to Google translate

Agree with everything you have said, Chance.  I have NEVER used a translation tool for the very reasons that you have outlined.

You always do know when someone has used a translation site because, guess what, they make English into a foreign language whose meaning is totally obscureSmile [:)]

Like you, I use wordreference or similar for the odd word or phrase and, like you, right from the beginning, I wrote letters, emails, spoke, using the vocabulary and sentence constructions that I do know.  I might have to repeat myself but, in the main, I got understood.  Don't get the same problem understanding or making myself understood these days and I put it down to being brave and just making the best effort I can.

What a good idea to use that little quotation from Philippe Claudel's novel.  You know, I have never actually translated it word for word.  I "get" the meaning as I read novels and papers and don't translate into English unless it's something particularly difficult.  I also agree that Google does it betterSmile [:)]

Edit: One very tiny niggle, I'd say " I believe, rather, that..............etc"

On dit souvent que l'on craint ce que l'on ne connaît pas. Je crois plutôt que la peur naît quand on apprend un jour ce que la veille on ignorait encore.
Philippe CLAUDEL in Les Âmes grises

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Re: An alternative to Google translate

<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/forums/completefrance-forums/cs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>Chancer wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"><P>I never use the sites either, I can read and translate 95% of the document and certainly understand the subject, context and message, there may be a couple of words to look up. When I have used a translator it has given out rubbish that makes it much harder to understand the original, when people post Google translates on forums and ask "what does this mean" I have to ask for the original to be able to answer.</P>
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<P>When composing something I dont need a translator and would not dare use one having seen the results, again there may be a couple of words or phrases that I may need to look up but when I compose something mentally I am doing so in French and using the vocabulary that I have.</P>
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<P>I find Linguée.fr excellent and it will often give me a better word or phrase than I would use and lots of different contexts for a word or phrase.</P>
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@ Chancer

I said that in one sentence. lol.

My new glasses are good.
ner ner nee ner ner!!
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Re: An alternative to Google translate

 mint wrote:
No good for translating L'invitation au voyage, then?Smile [:)]

And no use whatsoever for describing medical symtoms either.  Because of endorsement on here, I thought I'd give it a test run.  If I used the translation provided, they'd surely send me to a secure psychiatric unitWoot! [:-))]


Literary translation isn't quite the same thing. There are many factors in addition to the simple literal meaning..

I am surprised that the sites don't work well for medical symptoms however.
I would have thought that that is a fairly technical  vocabulary that can be given quite closely. When I used to coach Doctors in Montpellier it was always the 'small talk' that they got wrong rather the medical things that they got wrong; for example the difference in tone between 'what is the matter/problem,' and 'what happened to you' which rather implies and accident or incident than an illness..

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell
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Re: An alternative to Google translate

Chancer wrote : I find Linguée.fr excellent and it will often give me a better word or phrase than I would use and lots of different contexts for a word or phrase.

I agree and I thank you every day for the recommendation you gave about it umpteen years ago but ... lots of the references it uses are from Canada ... which, in itself, is not bad but it doesn't always sit well with my well-educated group of French people who want to be able to communicate in 'good' English when they ask me how they can say 'so and so' in acceptable/current English.
Research is never easy ... but fascinating quand même.

Edit : just found the L in DeepL stands for Linguée.

http://www.rtl.fr/culture/futur/deepl-le-traducteur-en-ligne-de-linguee-qui-pretend-surpasser-google-translate-7789879025

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Computing - it's another world
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