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Re: Those Greves

One could argue about privatisation of the railways in the UK until the cows come home !

Most rational observers would say though that it has been good - some successes, some failures. The problem of the last 20 years has been the enormous rise in passenger journeys vs an infrastructure that had had little investment.

But over to SNCF. Network TGV - fabulous. Fast, comfortable, etc. The rest of the network - decidedly iffy. Overall, a massive annual operating loss which would have led any ‘private’ company to have filed for bankruptcy years ago. It cannot continue and (it has to be said) this is what the British Govt said when it invited Beeching to review BR some 55 years ago.

The situation isn’t anywhere near the same. UK back then - an unrealistic route structure. France now - an unrealistic & unsustainable overhead.

The Unions won’t win & they know it. Its just a question of who blinks first. Lots of agony for all before that though.


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Apart from the greves there have been problems with the infrastructure for a long time now. Well, certainly where my son lives, there has.

Great that so much has been spent on TGV lines and all associated costs.

And yet lots needs fixing.😞





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I don't detect any great support in this area for the strikers. There have been so many strikes over the years that most people who are dependent on the services have other plans for getting to work (working from home, driving, car shares). The farmers haven't got much time for the strikers here because they have their own issues. My colleagues were a bit cynical of Macron when he first got in, but on the whole they are quite positive now.
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Since SNCF was formed in 1947 there has never been a year when they have not been on strike!
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Harsner, it was the knee jerk, lefty, rather unthought through nature of your posts which I reacted to.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Macron is in thrall to bankers or that he has the slightest intention of privatizing the SNCF.
But he is obliged by European dictat to bring a degree of competition to the railways by introducing dual services on some lines. To do this the SNCF needs to be efficient and cost effective which it aint at present. It is hugely overstaffed and anarchic in its contracts, procedures and efficiency.
Frankly, given their inability to run some rural and regional lines, a partnership between the local authorities, the SNCF and private enterprise might be the best way forward.
Already these local lines are heavily subsidized by local taxpayers, but run by an efficient state controlled staff who can think of noth8ng better than running buses instead of trains.
Plus, the taxpayer cannot go on subsidizing the lifestyle of the railways, it is just costing too much, including servicng the huge debt.
All the above are holding back much needed investment in upgrading the often archaic system.

The Germans are making a good fist of public private on the railways, why not the French?

Please note that I am not comparing with the UK system!
Ticking over, just about.
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http://www.young-germany.de/topic/live/travel-location/derailing-the-train-how-intercity-buses-are-changing-the-way-we-travel-in

Seems as if buses are now used a lot in Germany too!!!!.

Whilst improvements do need to be made to SNCF and indeed other extreme French positions your anti-left viewpoint does cloud your judgement somewhat.

Giving monies to the already rich, as is your mantra, is equally, if not more, stupid.

Train services should be for the benefit of society ie a public service and not, dare I say, for the few - be it rail staff or CEOs of private companies.




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Never suggested giving monies to the rich, Richard, but if the SNCF can be made efficient by a partial dose of services privatisation or competition, where the harm as the SNCF would benefit as well, as would the taxpayer.
Do not forget that it is the taxpayer who pays the bills so mantras like ‘public services’ actually means services paid for to a greater or lesser extent by the taxpayer. It is the duty of the State, an act of trust, if you like, to use that money well. The current waste of cash on the SNCF is not responsible use.
Ticking over, just about.
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