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Re: Fuel central heating or gaz de ville?

The flat I moved into  last September has reversible air conditioning which may be the same thing that teapot is talking about.

My monthly bill for a 65sq metre flat has come down from around 100€ with electric radiators in the old place to 55€ in the new one; but the new one has double glazing.

There are tax allowances  available for improving insulation etc and I suggest that this is something to consider since there is no point in heating the garden...



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Re: Fuel central heating or gaz de ville?

A great many thanks to all who have responded to my request. A good deal of food for thought there.........

I agree with the heating the garden - a comment we have often used as we wait for our cat to decide whether he wants to go out or stay in

Thanks again,

Tony
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+1 Théière on insulation.

I insulated our single storey house, which has 120 m2 of living area plus another 115 m2 of utility and storage space under the same roof, with 4 cm extruded polystyrene below the OSB + laminate floor, 4 cm polystyrene backed placo plus 5 cm fibreglass on the outer walls, and 30 cm cellulose above the placo ceilings.

Now our pellet stove tends to overheat the living area in mild weather, even on its minimum setting of 3.2 kW.
It tends to cycle on and off too frequently, which causes excessive soot buildup and shortens the life of the igniter element.

It is more economical (and quiet) to use our two 0.9 kW input / 2.8 kW output reverse cycle aircon/air source heat pump units when the outside temperature is above about 8 - 10ºC.

The only snag is that neither heating system operates when the electricity supply is cut.
Fortunately we are in a small town, not out in the wilderness, power cuts do not usually last too long, and we can run a petrol driven generator in the garage to provide power for lights plus the pellet stove.

EDIT: We were reminded of how effective our insulation is last week, when we stayed in a studio apartment in the mountains in S. Spain.
The days were mild, with temperatures around 18º, but dropped to 5º or lower at night.
The apartment had a huge radiator, with a slightly smaller one in the bathroom, fed from an oil-fired boiler.
These would have been enough to heat our entire house, but in the uninsulated building, they were barely adequate, and the floors were extremely cold.

I don't think there is much chance of slowing global warming when the majority are not even aware of the benefits of simply insulating their houses, let alone reducing the use of fossil fuel in oversized vehicles and home heating.



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Re: Fuel central heating or gaz de ville?

Idun wrote : For us, it was more economical than buying wood, as where we lived it was always expensive, we used 7.5 tonnes every year ( remember that was only from Oct/Nov to April) and often it was getting on for £90 a tonne, and even buying in bulk was not that much cheaper.

Crikey .. considering that you are talking about years and years ago I find your costs exceptionally high. 7.5 tonnes of your wood equates to approx 15m3 today. At approx 100€ a m3 at today's value that would mean a bill of 1500€ for 6 months wood heating .. I know where you lived but I am still in shock.
It's no surprise that you were happy to change to town gas.
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Congrats to Norman for halving his fuel bill .. can't be bad ☺
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Yes, Sue, it was a substantial amount every year. When we had our house built the builders wanted to put in electric radiators, and we had two put in, in two bedrooms and that was it. Our Turbo Fonte wood chiminee heated three radiators and we had a warm home.

Our neighbours used the same builder and took the electric radiator heating and their bills were higher than our wood cost and normal electricity cost. Makes you think doesn't it.

They soon got a chiminee.

The strange thing was that in our first appartment in a city, which was not well insulated, (our house was), all we had was one storage radiator and that was not expensive to run, and heated well. it looked and would have been old though, and I did look at modern versions, but everyone told me that they were no good AND frankly in comparison, felt flimsy. No idea when the appt was built, but that thing must have been in there donkey's years.

We did have forests in our village where we could have a plot assigned and take the wood and clear the forest. HOWEVER, the two we took over the years were so steep on the mountain side  and access lousy. We needed friends help, with tractors and all sorts. But there was a price to be paid for that,  as the french paysans in our village, were very aware of the value of such favours. And were more than repaid. What with us buying good chain saws etc and repaying favours and an accident in the wood too, husband said no more, not worth it.




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 suein56 wrote:
Crikey .. considering that you are talking about years and years ago I find your costs exceptionally high. 7.5 tonnes of your wood equates to approx 15m3 today. At approx 100€ a m3 at today's value that would mean a bill of 1500€ for 6 months wood heating .. I know where you lived but I am still in shock. It's no surprise that you were happy to change to town gas.
My relatives use about the same as Idun, their hopelessly inefficient insert is just trying to heat up France. It leaks so much heat up the chimney they have to burn so much wood to get the place warm.

They would save money buying a new efficient insert and would recoup the cost in about two winters. It would also save some of the forest for the rest of us! 

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Oh I have encountered homes with lousy wood burners. I cannot be doing with that. We had several friends with lousy chiminees. One used to have huge radiators on, as well as their fire burning, imagine the cost, oil heating and wood, where we lived!


I have mentioned these poor wood burners before.


Would our wood burner have used less wood, IF we had not had radiators, large ones, taking heat from it??? I often wondered, BUT, if  we had gone for a traditional wood burner,we would have still needed to pay for heating in the areas where the water filled radiators were, so maybe cost wise it would have been just the same. And I loved the heat.......... everyone said it was toooo hot, but it was lovely in cold alpine winters. And because ours worked so well, I have no idea why those we knew with fires that did not heat well, could be satisfied with theirs.

And if we were invited, we just made sure we wrapped up warm.

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