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Re: hiring someone in france

In France gardening is not DIY and vice versa. You may need two people...

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Eurotrash, I don't make this stuff up, and some things fall between the cracks.

I contacted the Inspection de Travail and UK equivalent and in spite of this 'fantastic' EU, neither would get involved because..............

And there was a french set of books in France showing everything above board, and another set for the UK employer.

Was this specific company 'chancing it', only sort of or not really, as the authorities in both countries were not interested. The staff were working for £1 an hour plus lodging and food. And if you think that french staff in say ski ressorts or other holiday places work for that much, think on. And they get conned too, but NEVER to that extent.




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Could you employ someone on a short-term contract to do the work, I wonder?
Also, I seem to remember, in the canton where my holiday home was, that people could hire someone from some kind of sheltered employment scheme - sorry, can't remember its initials - to do very basic work.

EDIT
It,looks as if there might be a way via the URSSAF. Maybe this would be helpful:
https://www.urssaf.fr/portail/home/particulier-employeur/particulier-employeur/travailleur-occasionnel.html


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That would prob be "Emmaus" they do all sorts of work.

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It is ETP but I think you have to be around as all the people, ther than a "moniter" have learning or other difficulties.

ETP is Entreprise Travail Protegée ( spelling may be wrong)

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Idun, I know you don't make this stuff up, but I would be interested to know how recent this was? Because now SIPSI has been set up it is a lot easier for DIRECCTE to check whether posted workers have been declared or not, and posted worker fraud has become a main focus. In 2018 for the first time DIRECCTE were set targets of how many contrôles to carry out, apparently the targets were raised in 2019, and the government still seems to think it needs to do more to combat posted worker fraud in the future.
https://www.vie-publique.fr/actualite/alaune/cour-comptes-enquete-efficacite-lutte-contre-fraude-au-travail-detache.html.

Contrôles involve talking to workers, requiring to see copies of their contracts, payslips (French version), evidence that the amount it says on the payslip has been paid into their banks, record of working hours, etc etc etc. It is a real thorough crackdown, and I imagine that if they find evidence of deliberate fraud as opposed to simply ignoring the rules, they'll deal with it accordingly.
One of my clients was down south and the works inspector there was very cooperative and is now working with them to ensure they get it right in future. The other is in northern France and the works inspector they had to deal with was only interested in finding as many violations as he could, you couldn't get two more different approaches.
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I do know that some things have improved somewhat over the last couple of years.

But it is still a long way from being good. I do know someone who works with seasonal workers and they tell me that there is still imaginative book keeping.



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Screw it. I'm just gonna pay more and find someone who is registered with a SIRET.
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