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Re: 80 Kilometres an hour

It is a basic fact that the faster you go the harder the impact to those inside the car and those outside the car. Studies show that the typical combined impact speed is up in the high 100's kph.

From the EU - I can't post the link else the page goes a metre wide. You can look on the Europa website for road safety plus speed and accident risk.

A drop of 1kph can result in a 1 to 5% drop in fatal accidents depending on what the limit is.

The other issue is how safe your car is. Not just to the driver but to those outside the car. For example you don't want to be hit by any Citroen car (traveling at 50kph) if you are pedestrian or riding a bicycle because it will more than like kill you. Being hit by a Merc, BMW or Toyota doubles your chance of survival.

If your looking to buy a new car or even a second hand one it pays to look at the NCAP website. My car (Ford Focus) has yet again come inside the top five most safest cars this year.

Finally to say it's not the car it's the driver and most of the French figures are alcohol related as they are in most countries and the vehicles concerned are traveling way above the speed limit. So in a way you could say dropping the limit from 90 to 80 has made no difference because people did not take notice of 90kph limit either.
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Re: 80 Kilometres an hour

If only it was that easy... Don’t you live in Germany where the national speed limit is 100km/h and many parts of the Autobahn are unlimited yet the accident figures are lower than France? A low blanket speed limit will never be the answer and making people drive at speeds where they start to lose concentration is a huge step backwards step.
NCAP is secondary, primary safety is more important. All Citröen cars meet the same standards as the cars that you have listed, what a strange comment. I’d much rather be hit by a modern DS than by any X class BMW or Mercedes people carriers.
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Alas, the system can try as hard as it can to "limit" the physical aspect of driving, but how do you stop the human input?

Un Périgourdin de 30 ans a été interpellé à trois reprises ce week-end. À chaque fois il conduisait sans permis et sans assurance.

Chap in Nantes already arrested 30 times, the last one, same as above but over the limit on alcohol and drugged up.

40 km in the wrong direction on the motorway (peage) A11 last week.

Sooner we get rid of drivers, the safer the roads will be!!


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Re: 80 Kilometres an hour

Yes I do but then Germans are far less likely to be drunk behind the wheel as the French according to French figures in the report from the EU.

Your wrong they don't meet the same standards but I am talking about 2019 models. Go to their website and see for yourself. It's a lot more informative than you think and it is an industry standard across Europe and elsewhere in the world.

Citroens come it at an NCAP rating of four only rising to five if the optional safety pack is fitted. Why would you have to pay extra to be safe?

This year overall the DS 3 Crossback came in 19th (with the optional safety pack installed). It was beaten by Audi, Merc, Ford, Toyota, Seat, Mazda, Tesla (came third), Renault, Lexus and Land Rover.

In the group to which you refer the DS3 never made the top 10.

NCAP is all about safety but not just the passengers.
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Re: 80 Kilometres an hour

 Lehaut wrote:
Sooner we get rid of drivers, the safer the roads will be!!

Even driverless cars are known to "have" accidents!!

Judith
ex W1, via 47 and 11 and now [just] in 34, equidistant from Carcassonne, Narbonne and Béziers, where I hope we'll finally stay!!
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Re: 80 Kilometres an hour

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/driverless-taxis-on-streets-of-london-for-the-first-time-6t5x6tgv2
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Re: 80 Kilometres an hour

The only problem with that Théière is who will insure them. The big insurance companies always look to lay blame in the event of a shunt, so who do they sue to recoup their money, the taxi company owner, the carmaker or the software manufacturer? It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.
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Re: 80 Kilometres an hour

The EU is currently creating legislation that covers all of this. We already have draft documents on the technical requirements of self drive cars and lorries. Most manufacturers are designing their systems on the basis of the current version being the minimum requirement.

The easiest way to look at it is these cars will have something like a CE mark which means insurance companies cannot refuse to insure them nor refuse to pay out in the event of an accident. All of them must have "Black Box" recorders which are sealed and can only be opened by an independent authority licenced by the government. It is they who will decide whose fault it is not insurance companies.

Problem is at the moment is they rely heavily on GPS for navigation to within half a metre namely Galileo which is not fully living up to its expectations yet it is best of the bunch. There is supposed to be a major software update this year which will dramatically improve their performance.

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