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A question for YCCMB

If I may...The everlasting battle with the subjonctif continues. Which would be more correct, stp? 'Ne me dites jamais qu'il pleut davantage en angleterre qu'en Aquitaine' or ' ne me dites jamais qu'il pleuve davantage etc etc.' Merci! Yours damply...:-)
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Re: A question for YCCMB

Oh that's a good one and very nasty, and quite honestly I've no idea.
I'd err towards saying yes, because of the negative. I'm looking at "dire que" rather than "ne jamais" if that makes sense. In other words, my view is that if you said "ne me dites pas que", then it would be subjunctive, so if you swap the pas for a jamais, it also should be. My workings are that if "dire que" is an order, which in your example it is, then it should take the subjunctive.
That's given me a headache.
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I would have jumped the other way and said No, because although "dire" is negative, the thing you are actually saying - the verb after the "que", ie pleuvoir - isn't negative, and that's the verb you are putting into the subjunctive (or not).

Using this logic it would be "Ne me dites jamais qu'il pleut davantage en angleterre qu'en Aquitaine" but "Ne me dites jamais qu'il ne pleuve pas davantage en angleterre qu'en Aquitaine" or alternatively "Dites-moi qu'il ne pleuve pas davantage en angleterre qu'en Aquitainé". I.e. it makes no difference whether the Dites bit is positive or negative, what makes the difference is whether the thing that is said, is positive or negative.

That was my first reaction, I'm not saying it's right!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/forums/completefrance-forums/cs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong> YCCMB wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">Oh that's a good one and very nasty, and quite honestly I've no idea.

That's given me a headache.</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE> Eeek! My world's just crumbled lol. That's like finding out that the big, bearded, whooshy one in a dress is having a rethink about the Ten Commandments, and perhaps murder isn't so bad after all :-) You've got a headache?? ROFLMAO
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<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/forums/completefrance-forums/cs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>EuroTrash wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">I would have jumped the other way and said No,
That was my first reaction, I'm not saying it's right!</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE> So..let's see....is this a 52% / 48% split? ;-) Thank you so much, ET! Double negatives I can also do without! I'm going for a lie down in a darkened cellar. I may be some time....:-)
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Re: A question for YCCMB

Dites-moi jamais qu'il pleut davantage en Angleterre......?
The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell
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Is that a question or an answer, NormanH? No sitting on the fence :-)
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A tentative suggestion. I have always translated from French to English ...

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell
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