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"j'ai vu mon frère sortant de l'école."

"sortant" expresses a simultaneous relation and replaces the implied subordinate relative clause.

qui sortait de l'école....assumed incomplete action in the past, this nuance could be emphasised with....qui était en train de sortir de l'école..


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French grammar is deffo not my strong point and I have only recently been paying any sort of attention to it.  But, for what it's worth, I'd say it like Pacha...qui était en train de sortir...

As far as possible, I avoid anything to do with "ing" in French! 


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 Chancer wrote:

Lets see if I have been paying attention and any of this has sunk in (it never did at school!).

"J'ai vu mon frère sortant de l'école", is OK? - I saw my brother leaving the school.

And so is "J'ai vu mon frère en sortant de l'école", I saw my brother whilst I was leaving the school.

Would it be preferable to reverse the order "En sortant de l'école j'ai vu mon frère"

Or is that my English logic intervening?

Or should I get my coat? Cry Out [:'(]



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 sweet 17 wrote:

French grammar is deffo not my strong point and I have only recently been paying any sort of attention to it.  But, for what it's worth, I'd say it like Pacha...qui était en train de sortir...

As far as possible, I avoid anything to do with "ing" in French! 

Liliane of L'Oreal is in the news today, now lovey dovey with daughter but Woerth still, in the mire.

A dastardly "ing" word....... qui travaillait pour Clymène, société gérant la fortune Bettencourt. ...


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 allanb wrote:
 bubbles wrote:
What about "En sortant de l'école, j'ai vu mon frère"? That's pretty clear.

No, that would mean that I saw him as I was leaving the school.  At least, I think it would.

If I saw him as he was leaving the school, I think I would say "j'ai vu mon frère sortir de l'école."

What I'm questioning is the second of NormanH's examples ("j'ai vu mon frère sortant de l'école").  I'm not sure whether that's clear, or even correct.

j'ai vu mon frère sortir de l'école.....gives an idea of repetition not just the once.

J'ai vu le lapin noir sortant de la garenne.......J'ai vu le lapin noir sortir de la garenne.


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 pachapapa wrote:
j'ai vu mon frère sortir de l'école.....gives an idea of repetition not just the once.

I don't think so.

Mon frère n'est plus dans l'école; je l'ai vu sortir.

No suggestion that he did it more than once, I would say.



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I agree, only the once!
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 allanb wrote:
 bubbles wrote:
What about "En sortant de l'école, j'ai vu mon frère"? That's pretty clear.

No, that would mean tha t I saw him as I was leaving the school.  At least, I think it would.

If I saw him as he was leaving the school, I think I would say "j'ai vu mon frère sortir de l'école."

What I'm questioning is the second of NormanH's examples ("j'ai vu mon frère sortant de l'école").  I'm not sure whether that's clear, or even correct.

Shall we ask the French speakers?

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