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Re: Bloo*y school buses

Actually, when shoppering (sic) or wandering round here I do have to cross several crossings. Call me nuts but I do stop, look and cross (listening is a bit pointless), Generally the lines round the crossings are very visible so it is easy and quick.

When I did my small bus driver training it was drummed into us that rural level crossings were dangerous by nature and should be approached with caution. And that we/ I were/was responsible for safe crossing.

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There is only one that I  cross regularly and I always slow to a virtual halt and look both ways as well Wooly, its a minor road and the left turn just before it is now a stop so I am not travelling fast but even in the other direction I stop, not defying anyone but its human nature to sneak a peak unless you are a smartphone user crossing the road.

 

There are a few PàD's locally that because they are an acute angle I have to take my priorité blind whilst muttering Inshallah.

 

I havn't looked at the détails of the crossing but what often happens is that in traffic a long vehicle like a bus will cross before he has enough length ahead for a safe exit, the traffic stops and a tragedy occurs.

 

Iknow if I were in charge of Young passengers I would look both ways and ahead to make sure the exit was clear.

 

Another possibility is the old "un train peut en cacher un autre", the "en" always seems malplaced in that phrase.


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There is quite a well balanced report here https://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/accident/accident-de-car-dans-les-pyrenees-orientales/collision-mortelle-a-millas-les-differentes-versions-autour-des-barrieres-de-securite-du-passage-a-niveau_2516849.html

Following the obvious route from the school to Saint-Féliu, the bus would have been coming from the right in the picture, having turned left onto the road only 25 metres from the crossing.

EDIT: It is quite obvious from the remains of the barrier on the right of the picture, the one on the carriageway that the bus should have been on, that something hit it, indicating that it must have been at least partly down.

I can't believe that dash cameras are not compulsory on public transport, especially on school buses, which should also have interior cameras.

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I tend to agree about the damaged barrier. The only slight reservation I have is that it looks as if the flashing light post has been hit and could it be that the barrier was damaged at the same time? Presumably this by the coach being dragged by the train. Where the remains of the barrier are will be important in the investigation methinks.
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Even ignoring that most witnesses seem to have said the barrier was down even those who say it was up said that the bus stopped on the crossing, that is the most telling thing.

 

Horrific as it is to see the bus cut in half those who survived owe their lives to that.


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On further comparison of the newspaper picture in the link above with the view on Google Earth, it now seems to me that the twisted metal to the right of the picture is the remains of the signal light structure, not the barrier, and that the barrier and its base is completely gone.

One relevant comment I read said that the barriers are "held up by an electric current", presumably via an electromagnet, so that if the power fails they automatically fall down under their own weight, which seems a very reasonable design.

A local resident said that sometimes the barriers were down with no warning lights showing and no train coming, which suggests that there were occasional power failures causing this.

Makes me wonder if, in such a case, people made a large detour to get beyond the crossing, or whether some who used it regularly got into the habit of crossing between the barriers when they were obviously down due to a power failure.

It is a pretty straight line on each side of the crossing, with a visibility of at least 150 metres in the direction from which the train came. At 80 km per hour (22 metres per second), which was a reported train speed I saw (probably its maximum), it would have taken the train 6 or 7 seconds to cover that distance, plenty of time to get over the crossing, although most people woulñdn't cross if they saw a train that far away. Just observing.

On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

H. L. Mencken 1880 - 1956

Some may not like his views, but what a prediction!
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A witness who was on the bus following behind the one that was hit by the train has said:-

Clarisse was aboard the bus that followed the one that was mowed down by a TER Thursday, December 14 in Millas (Pyrénées-Orientales) and therefore attended the accident. "We were getting off the bus and that's when we saw that the train was coming in, the gates were not lowered, there was no flashing light and the train hit the bus. noise.

https://actu.orange.fr/societe/fait-divers/accident-de-millas-une-collegienne-temoigne-de-la-collision-magic-CNT000000UbP5m.html
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https://www.facebook.com/alain.franchi.3/videos/1304885296325041/
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