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Re: Pads is confused again

Can someone give me an or some examples of how that rule works in a sentence please?

Perhaps some incorrect useage might also illuminate things.

The problem I have is in imagining a sentence that would contain even some of those grammatical terms in that order.

Thank you


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Re: Pads is confused again

They rarely all appear together Chance.  However

The order is

1. le la les

2. moi

3. nous vous lui leur

4. m' t'

5.y

6 en

Thus: Donne-le moi;  Donnez-la lui; Donnez-nous en; Donnez-m'en  etc.

Edit : More...  Elle me le donne; je m'y interesse; je t'y invite; il m'en donne; je le lui donne; tu lui en donne....  (I could go on, but I won't!)


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Re: Pads is confused again

Here are a few examples from my grammar book:

I gave it to him/her - je le lui ai donné

He explained it to me - il me l'a expliqué

I put them there this morning - je les y ai mis ce matin

I don't have the time to explain it to you - Je n'ai pas le temps de te l'expliquer

Hope this helps.


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Re: Pads is confused again

Some rather unimaginative examples off the top of my head:

Il nous en a parlé (He has told me about it)

Je la lui ai envoyée (I have sent it to him)

Il y en a (There is/are some)


Hope those help to see the context.


Not sure your list is quite right there, Coops. Plus, m' and t' are really me and te, and would hang in with nous and vous.
"Donnez-m'en". Shouldn't it be "Donnez moi en" ?


Angela

EDIT: Whoops, spent too long on that, so seem to have duplicated the post above - sorry!
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Re: Pads is confused again

Apparently 'moi' and 'toi' are replaced with' m' or 't' before 'en' and 'y' in a command, when they come after the verb...
So..Donnez-m'en
but it does feel odd, and I'm not sure I have ever heard it

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Re: Pads is confused again

va-t'en is fairly common bits can be added to it like green monsters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QjfY6iQ9u8


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Re: Pads is confused again

I think that's simply the imperative of the verb "s'en aller" isn't it?

I stand to be corrected here, but I think the t' in va-t'en just comes from it being a reflexive verb, rather than being put there on purpose as the direct or indirect object. (Can't do emoticons in this browser, but would be doing a puzzled one here.)

Angela
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Re: Pads is confused again

Just to add that one hears
'Donnez moi un' which is very close in sound to the 'Donnez moi en' that you feel is right

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