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Re: Wanted: Property Let or Purchase Near Sarlat/Salignac

Yes, only clothes shops, as I mentioned.




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Re: Wanted: Property Let or Purchase Near Sarlat/Salignac

ALBF wrote:

Andy....you are talking nonsense. I will explain.

île de France represents 25% of the French population. You/your friend can't call them all ignorant and arrogant that is ridiculous. People have to work in Paris because that is where the work is. Many (like us) live in Paris during the week/month and head home during holidays. Others stay in hotels or bedsits or whatever during the week.

An actual 'Parisien' is someone that is born and bred in Paris. They are no different to cockneys and tend mostly to be working class and very funny.

So who are you and your friend describing exactly when you say arrogant and ignorant ? My neighbours are nice, my doctor is nice, those who in the supermarket are nice (they even say hello if I see them in the street), the man who sweeps the street says hello every morning. Our children love their school and their teachers. Where are these people you describe ??? I have not met them yet and this is the third time I have lived in Paris.

Yes there are some arrogant t#### I should imagine but that is no different to other countries.





Yes, yes, yes!!

I fully agree generalisations are likely not to describe many people. In fact they may not even describe a majority.

Perhaps you might like to consider that, the next time you are tempted to post about the British in the Dordogne, rural France or whatever.

The sad fact is that you seemingly constant "get-at" comments against such groups means that the important bits of your message get completely lost.

Yes, rural France is a very tough place to get employment generally.
Yes, schooling in France is tough on non-French speaking children and becomes tougher the older they get. Unless of course the parents consider an international school and even then may well not be a piece of cake.
Yes facilities for the young are very limited in France profonde.
Yes simple facilities like hospitals or bus service may be many, many kilometres away, if you chose rural France

But all of that gets lost in YOUR extreme generalisations of the British in France living in Dordogneshire, refusing to speak French, driving top of the range cars and employing (often English) so-called tradesmen to "do up their little pad in France" - usually on the black.

So next time you think to post one of your standard diatribes, think on, young man, think on.
Andy

A European Rahinja.
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Re: Wanted: Property Let or Purchase Near Sarlat/Salignac

Andy Wrote...

'But all of that gets lost in YOUR extreme generalisations of the British in France living in Dordogneshire, refusing to speak French, driving top of the range cars and employing (often English) so-called tradesmen to "do up their little pad in France" - usually on the black.'

I have never said that. Point me towards a post where I have said that. Go on, show me one. To be honest, I have no idea what goes on 'Andy' in expat world, I just go but what I read on forums. I find it very interesting mind you and I completely get how peoples dreams turn sour. I have and always will put forward the positive arguments to move to France the right way. Especially with kids. No one cares mind you, but more fool them. But at least I put my point across.

You have to remember Andy I have lived in rural France for 8 years, and like I said before we own a property in rural France that I have been going to every summer for the last twenty odd years. For my OH the last 43 years.

Take my advice or not, but I am right.
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I understand ALBF so well. I doubt that most of you have any idea how expat France comes across to those of us who have not lived it.

When I first found this board, it was shocking, absolutely horrible and shocking, from the endless posts about the despicable UK and France as Utopia, a real Eden, where life was wonderful all the time.

Whereas, it was never mentioned that because of the way the UK had done business from after the time we left. It meant that people, ordinary people had become literally rich, able to sell up properties that had attained a price that was never a proper value for a decent society.  Along with the oddest way UK pension plans work, which is still beyond me, were able to retire at a young age and move to parts of France, that as far as I was aware for years and years, were being deserted and were dirt poor and 'not' the place to move to, and who would? even though the properties were so cheap.

And since when does 'cheap' be the defining factor about buying somewhere, I live in NE England, and I could tell you about a few places where property is still dirt cheap, but would I live there, not on your life. (Even the same in the Alpes, I know of plenty of places to avoid).

Also I must add, that when the french left these areas, what does it tell you about those that remained????? A mentality, maybe akin to the mining villages of County Durham, where those that remain, are to say the least, 'special' even though some nice homes have been built. An insular mentality that I personally prefer to be away from.

And so my first posts were about what I considered the 'real' France and suffered the consequences for that, but remained, because I felt that the voice of the 'real' France had to remain.

 I have lived in a french city and en campagne.

Posts on this board, (I don't do other boards), have become more realistic over the years, but there is still the divide, between those that have never lived an expat life style to those that have or do. Also, I must add, that doesn't stop me liking quite a lot of the posters on here.



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Re: Wanted: Property Let or Purchase Near Sarlat/Salignac

To ALBF - fair enough if you feel you must warn potential immigrants about the pitfalls.
But a) it's arrogant to assume that you're always right
and b) people need to find out for themselves, they're adults, not children.
I agree I've seen some families having to give up, but otoh I also know quite a few who have managed to make a living and their children are doing well here.
When I was much younger we went, with 3 young children, to live and work in another country. We only stayed a few years, then returned to the UK. We had to start all over again.
We all benefited from the experience, especially the children who now, as adults, have a very cosmopolitan outlook.

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Re: Wanted: Property Let or Purchase Near Sarlat/Salignac

ALBF

I don't want this to be a p155ing contest, but just in this thread you have written:

Timeline 11/11/16 06:33

Imagine you are a French rural peasant and your neighbour is British who drives a black Range Rover sport with a personalised number plate 'TW at' and has an industrial satellite dish attached to his house so that he can watch sky one on loop. You would hate them. And before you say that is a cliche, I can count about 5 Rangerovers (with said plate) a day heading south west when I was in Tours.

Timeline 9/11/16 14:22
Do you really want to join/live in that Dordogne/Sarlat misery ?

I have read so many bad stories about that expat hell hole.




I think you, Idun and I are all one the same page, but the way you put your posts over comes across as an ex-pat Brit bashing bonanza - and that means the message gets lost.

PS. I have lived in rural France for longer than you - but then I lived in rural UK and semi-rural Germany before. I perhaps have a different perspective and expectation - but I am sure that many would-be movers to rural France do not come from such a background. They have often have no idea what they are letting themselves in for. We should inform them and warn them; but branding everyone who has ever bought in the same region is frankly just silly.
Andy

A European Rahinja.
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Re: Wanted: Property Let or Purchase Near Sarlat/Salignac

Just to add, I have just looked up Sarlat - over 9000 citizens - a positive city round here. That is more than out prefecture!
Andy

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The point is Andy, if you move to France with kids you only do so if you have employment on a CDI contract. That is it, full stop. None of this gîte nonsense, selling ice creams or pretending you a roofer and work on the black..

It is no different to French young adults with kids. No one IN THEIR RIGHT MIND is going to move to Sarlet from Paris or wherever without a CDI job. Even if they do move the chances are they would not buy a house as given the state of the economy their employment might not last that long and have to move back.

I have grown up with my wife in France, taking her first job and progressing through the different levels of employment. I have seen my wifes sister and her husband progress through school and do the same. Like wise with my friends. We all have kids now and LIFE IS EXPENSIVE and HARD. I know how France works. I know people who have set businesses and the strain that entails. It is frightening for the French.

I don't know where people get this idea from that you can move here there and everywhere in France on a whim and survive. It just ain't going to happen. OK, for some in the past it probably has. In todays economic climate in France it is a no no....especially in rural areas. Those giving advice about how they moved with their kids 30 years ago and now they are all brain surgeons are talking nonsense. That was thirty years. Life has changed.

Reading the sites like AI Dordogne over the last couple of years the threads prove me right. I feel their pain but it was not going to happen in the first place. That is the Sarlat/Bergerac misery I was talking about.

- In terms of satellite dishes type questions. Yes that does make me chuckle. How big of dish do I need to watch Strictly ?

- In terms of Rangerovers I apologise, some are Landrover discoveries with personalised number plates.
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